tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post1395428246187990915..comments2024-03-18T07:15:27.206+00:00Comments on HARRY J: Freemasonry: Two Organisations, One Visible, The Other InvisibleHarry Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-38546265542901928902017-06-05T14:12:00.391+01:002017-06-05T14:12:00.391+01:00Order a professional Sparkling White Smiles Custom...Order a professional <a href="http://teeth-whitening.syntaxlinks.com/r/SparklingWhiteSmiles" rel="nofollow"><b>Sparkling White Smiles</b></a> <b><i>Custom Teeth Whitening System</i></b> online and enjoy <b>BIG SAVINGS</b>!<br />* Up to 10 shades whiter in days!<br />* Results Are Guaranteed.<br />* Better than your dentist.<br />* Same Teeth Whitening Gel as dentists use.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-17908919681907640842011-08-22T12:56:24.724+01:002011-08-22T12:56:24.724+01:00First of all how long you will take time to argue ...First of all how long you will take time to argue about religions, none of them are right either wrong but they do share something in common: secrecy (where none of them is truly visible towards his own society,the contents of their books is contrarly opposing the fact in real life anywhere but their books are god's words which if applied should find peace at least between religions later among us instead each society defends itself by holding his own book as a weapon to prove that his better than the others while a religion is supposed to give the best not trying to be better,it is not a showoff party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-43869893935718165242010-10-14T01:10:45.818+01:002010-10-14T01:10:45.818+01:00Andrew
"I haven't changed my tune regard...Andrew<br /><br />"I haven't changed my tune regarding Islam at all. You think the Koran is a 'good book' and I don't."<br /><br />It is a good book, but very few Muslims follow it; the same as Christians and the Bible. <br /><br />"I've a better idea, you pick a law."<br /><br />Casting pearls to swine. <br /><br />Ezekiel 13 (extract)<br />Because the "foolish prophets" (politicians) have seduced My people, saying peace; and there was NO peace and one built a wall (N.A.T.O. and U.N.O.) and others daubed it with untempered mortar (non-hardening / useless cement), say to them that it shall FALL.<br /><br />Therefore you shall not see any more vain prophecies: for I will deliver My people out of your hands and you shall KNOW that I AM the Lord.<br /><br />And My hand will be upon the politicians that prophecy lies: they shall NOT BE in the assembly of My people, neither shall they enter into the "New Jerusalem" or the New Age. IMPORTANT - SEE Luke 19 v 27.<br /><br />Luke<br />19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.<br />19:27 But THOSE mine enemies, which would NOT that I should REIGN OVER THEM, bring here, and SLAY [them] before me.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-68072037549905999542010-10-12T19:39:27.717+01:002010-10-12T19:39:27.717+01:00I've a better idea, you pick a law.
I haven&#...I've a better idea, you pick a law.<br /><br />I haven't changed my tune regarding Islam at all. You think the Koran is a 'good book' and I don't.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-70049771008067702282010-10-09T14:21:51.900+01:002010-10-09T14:21:51.900+01:00Andrew
"What I'd be keen to find is a c...Andrew<br /><br /><br />"What I'd be keen to find is a clear enunciation of exactly what the Laws are"<br /><br />Pick one Law (subject) and we can go throught it.<br /><br />"We are going to have to agree to disagree on the subject of the Koran and Islam I'm afraid."<br /><br />You have changed your tune, show us where any Muslim follows the Koran likewise any Christian that follows the Bible.<br /><br /><br />"I suppose true Christianity would be found in those who follow scripture alone as opposed to the Catholic church who seem to have created doctrines not contained within the Bible."<br /><br />Thats avoided the question and as you have never read the book "I'm yet to read the Bible in its entirety." You may/will find that much of it will take years of study on one verse and then still not understand it.<br /><br />But the Laws are clearly written; would you like to choose one so as we can go through it.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-86554319200145180522010-10-07T22:26:19.103+01:002010-10-07T22:26:19.103+01:00I suppose true Christianity would be found in thos...I suppose true Christianity would be found in those who follow scripture alone as opposed to the Catholic church who seem to have created doctrines not contained within the Bible.<br /><br />We are going to have to agree to disagree on the subject of the Koran and Islam I'm afraid.<br /><br />I'm assuming the 'Laws' are contained within the Bible but I've yet to see a clear description of exactly what those Laws are. As you may have gleaned I could not consider myself a Christian and I'm yet to read the Bible in its entirety. What I'd be keen to find is a clear enunciation of exactly what the Laws are.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-41651986029006408542010-10-07T14:54:16.995+01:002010-10-07T14:54:16.995+01:00Andrew
Show us an example of true Christianity?
...Andrew<br /><br /><br />Show us an example of true Christianity?<br /><br />I agree with what you say about the religion of Islam, but just like many? Christians they dont follow the Bible; just like most Muslims follow the Hadith and not the Koran.<br /><br />"whenever I endeavoured to get an understanding of what you meant by this I never seemed able to"<br /><br />The Law's are clearly written for all to study for finer points. What was it you could not understand of the weightier Law's?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-87867041604928128122010-10-05T22:25:01.179+01:002010-10-05T22:25:01.179+01:00I can remember frequent references to 'the Law...I can remember frequent references to 'the Law' in your comments on the UK Column forum but whenever I endeavoured to get an understanding of what you meant by this I never seemed able to. I certainly never personally refused to discuss this with you.<br /><br />I can certainly agree that organised religions are used to deceive and manipulate the masses. As I said my research has given me a much greater respect for true Christianity which I take to be the teachings of the Bible. Where we disagree is that I personally can't say the same for 'true' Islam or the Koran.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-79839518306076954932010-10-05T11:19:09.625+01:002010-10-05T11:19:09.625+01:00Andrew
Harry you and many were asked many times o...Andrew<br /><br />Harry you and many were asked many times on the UK Column forum, which is seething with freemasons and establishment shills, and I don't just mean obvious fakes like the Baron. Can we agree that all organised religions are false: Catholic, protestant, so called Islam, of which there are thousands of different of shoots of each?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-83290611029827450072010-10-04T21:06:58.632+01:002010-10-04T21:06:58.632+01:00Please show me where I've ever refused to disc...Please show me where I've ever refused to discuss 'those laws'. I'd be more than happy to see usury 'not allowed' and for people to have their own plot of land.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-84937722782047822212010-10-03T12:32:24.350+01:002010-10-03T12:32:24.350+01:00Andrew
"I have developed a greater respect f...Andrew<br /><br />"I have developed a greater respect for true Christianity"<br /><br />What is your interpretation of true Christianity a so called Jewish one? Ie a NWO where people enjoy their servitude?<br /><br />And I do agree, the organised relgion of so called Islam is bad and all it's factions.<br /><br />Are you for those Law's that you would not discuss, where usary is not allowed and people have the right to thier own plot of free land and more?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-17528893984445404182010-10-02T17:53:29.528+01:002010-10-02T17:53:29.528+01:00Andrew, I wish you well but I'm afraid I'v...Andrew, I wish you well but I'm afraid I've wasted more than enough time discussing these issues with you. You obviously have your own interpretation of the Bible, Christianity, the Koran and Islam. It's not one that I've ever encountered anywhere else, nor does it appear to be backed up by any evidence. <br /><br />On the occasion that you do answer my questions I can barely comprehend what you're saying.<br /><br />I always try to stay open minded in case new evidence comes my way that makes me reconsider certain things. Nothing you've said has caused me to do this. As I've begun to look deeper into the 'spiritual' aspects of the NWO I have developed a greater respect for true Christianity than I ever had before. The exact reverse has happened in regards to Islam.<br /><br />You are, of course, welcome to your 'interpretations' but have you ever considered that it might be you that's 'perverting' them?Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-81576371081492235662010-10-01T22:49:32.070+01:002010-10-01T22:49:32.070+01:00Andrew.
"I find this somewhat perplexing. A ...Andrew.<br /><br />"I find this somewhat perplexing. A Christian is a follower of Christ, whom to them is the son of God. Now, prophets of God and sons of God are two completely different things. John the Baptist was a prophet. Now both prophesised but only one was the son of God."<br /><br />We are all the children of God, every human BEING. But 99.9999% of people don't follow God, so then those who don't are the children of whom you/they Obey, God or the opposer.<br /><br />The Messiah (Heberew) Christ(Greek) Mahdi(Arabic)is a title not a name.<br /><br />We here are all prisoners, Christ is not, he set the example of how you have to be 24/7 in thought, word and deed and nothing less will do. But you can get so much loving spiritual help to aid you if you seek it.<br /><br />Apologies for keeping it short, posts seem to have to be on these blogs.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-8895434945674540892010-10-01T19:30:15.037+01:002010-10-01T19:30:15.037+01:00Andrew,
When RH asked you:
"Andrew, are you...Andrew,<br /><br />When RH asked you:<br /><br /><i>"Andrew, are you a Christian? Do you think that Christians should place as much value on the Koran as they do the Bible? Are Allah and the God of the New Testament one and the same? Do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God?"</i><br /><br />You replied:<br /><br /><i>"Yes, Yes, Yes, Christ. Jesus was just a body used."</i><br /><br />I find this somewhat perplexing. A Christian is a follower of Christ, whom to them is the son of God. Now, prophets of God and sons of God are two completely different things. John the Baptist was a prophet. Now both prophesised but only one was the son of God.<br /><br />Therefore, you can't be a Christian if you believe that Christ was the son of God and believe that Christianis should place as much value in a religion that sees Christ as merely a prophet.<br />Simpy put Andrew, to state you are a Christian, who believes that as much value should be placed in the Qur'an when Islam perceives of Christ to be a prophet would be like a Muslim stating that they should place as much value in the New Testament when Christians call Muhammad a warlord and certainly not a prophet.<br /><br />You cannot call yourself a Christian when and believe in the Qur'an at the same time of what it says of Christ. You either believe he was the son of God or you don't.<br /><br />And as for Zionism, yes I agree, it does want to control much of the world, no doubt about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-16406721389850021082010-10-01T01:11:45.455+01:002010-10-01T01:11:45.455+01:00Andrew
"Mystery Babylon contains both Jews a...Andrew<br /><br />"Mystery Babylon contains both Jews and Gentiles"<br /><br />96% of modern so called Jews are Ashkenazi Gentiles.<br /><br />As in those who say they are but are not.<br /><br />And I know you know that, part quote.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-59303643711563455412010-10-01T00:55:27.444+01:002010-10-01T00:55:27.444+01:00Andrew
"So most 'people of the book'...Andrew<br /><br />"So most 'people of the book' are 'perverted transgressors'. In 3:113 we find out who the few who are not are."<br /><br />"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand [For the right]: They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration."<br /><br />"Do you 'rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and …. prostrate [yourself] in adoration' or are you a 'perverted transgressor'?"<br /><br /><br />Yes it's the same as the Christian Bible, But not as you and most of them interpret it.<br /><br />In my Thoughts all the time even when I sleep.(not so called praying and neeling so many times a day or church on sundays. Both books say not to go to Church or temples or listen to priests and Imams.<br /><br />Do you see how you are no better than they are and have perveted the interpretation like most people do.<br /><br />Mahdi is Arabic for Christ so it should be relevant, do you see again how so little you know.<br /><br />Mystery Babylon<br /><br />Is the Jewish Jesuit controlled papacy combined with Jewish banking controlled and so called Britsh Royals. And Freemasonry.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-85692218421785551352010-09-30T20:40:30.389+01:002010-09-30T20:40:30.389+01:00I found a copy of the Yusuf Ali translation on-lin...I found a copy of the Yusuf Ali translation on-line and all of the verses correlate with the ones I previously quoted. I did notice something though. In 3:110 it says:<br /><br />"Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."<br /><br />So most 'people of the book' are 'perverted transgressors'. In 3:113 we find out who the few who are not are. <br /><br />"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand [For the right]: They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration."<br /><br />Do you 'rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and …. prostrate [yourself] in adoration' or are you a 'perverted transgressor'?<br /><br />I see you can't give me one single example of a Muslim that agrees that Jesus died on the cross. So it seems that you are making a claim that the overwhelming majority of Muslims (if not all) do not believe. <br /><br />The point is Andrew that Muslims consider Jesus to have only been a prophet and not the Son of God. They also consider Muhammed to have been the final prophet and as such to have superseded Jesus.<br /><br />Nowhere do I or even Muslims claim that Muhammed was the Mahdi so that is irrelevant.<br /><br />My point about asking if you were a Christian is that it is literally impossible to believe that the Koran is a good book if you are a Bible believing Christian. I'm surprised you can't see this.<br /><br />For the record it is not solely freemasons, Jewish or otherwise, who 'want the world to themselves'. It is not even solely 'Jews'. Mystery Babylon contains both Jews and Gentiles and as tempting as it is to fall into the trap of thinking that the top of the pyramid is Jewish I doubt it very much.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-86555314488120339312010-09-30T17:46:33.053+01:002010-09-30T17:46:33.053+01:00"Muhammad is not the father of any of your me..."Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"<br /><br />Well he was a Prophet but not the Mahdi.<br /><br />----------<br />"Andrew, are you a Christian? Do you think that Christians should place as much value on the Koran as they do the Bible? Are Allah and the God of the New Testament one and the same? Do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God?"<br /><br />Yes, Yes, Yes, Christ. Jesus was just a body used.<br /><br />--------<br /><br />"There are so many more questions I could ask but really what's the point?" <br /><br />Because you will most likely be killed soon. The Jewish freemasons want the world to themselves alone with just a few slaves.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-59885158731587961032010-09-30T17:44:25.925+01:002010-09-30T17:44:25.925+01:00My post keeps disappearing.
yusuf ali translation...My post keeps disappearing.<br /><br />yusuf ali translation that cbm told you about on the UK column forum with a link and not the one I have told you about many times.<br /><br />The EDL thread which is really a zionist defence league.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-19339407296036922012010-09-30T17:34:31.376+01:002010-09-30T17:34:31.376+01:00testtestAndrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-62100294304757736712010-09-30T16:59:31.076+01:002010-09-30T16:59:31.076+01:00Andrew
"Please show me where I can find the ...Andrew<br /><br />"Please show me where I can find the Muslims that agree that Jesus died on the cross and that refute the generally held Islamic belief that he didn't die on the cross. An unknown commenter on an unknown forum doesn't qualify I'm afraid."<br /><br />I don't know if there are many, the PTB Jewish freemasons have seen to much of that.<br /><br />"But many Muslims read the Hadith which is a corruption of the Koran.Likewise the Jews with thier Talmud which has now become our corrupt so called laws and feudal system (and freemasonry). And many Christians now read many different corrupt so called Bibles."<br /><br />A situation where we are all as bad as each other for believing in lies.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-17959698347811507312010-09-30T14:37:26.690+01:002010-09-30T14:37:26.690+01:00Andrew, no I haven't been duped by masons. I s...Andrew, no I haven't been duped by masons. I see you fail to answer certain questions and then continue to make absurd claims without actually backing them up with evidence.<br /><br />Please tell me which Koran you are using. If it is as authoritative as you claim surely there'll be a reference to it on-line.<br /><br />Please show me where I can find the Muslims that agree that Jesus died on the cross and that refute the generally held Islamic belief that he didn't die on the cross. An unknown commenter on an unknown forum doesn't qualify I'm afraid.<br /><br />"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)<br /><br />The overwhelming majority of Muslims take this as evidence that Muhammed was the last of the prophets. Please show me evidence of those who don't.<br /><br />Andrew, are you a Christian? Do you think that Christians should place as much value on the Koran as they do the Bible? Are Allah and the God of the New Testament one and the same? Do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God?<br /><br />There are so many more questions I could ask but really what's the point?Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-58753556675114212082010-09-30T13:31:17.978+01:002010-09-30T13:31:17.978+01:00Andrew
"Please refute the nonsense in detail...Andrew<br /><br />"Please refute the nonsense in detail please. I have checked the verses listed as violent against those on Quraan.com and they concur."<br /><br />Do they, could you show us the Koran you used; if you cannot then you are either lying or even using a fake one, so lets end this then by checking it?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-21732340847677412062010-09-30T13:21:20.813+01:002010-09-30T13:21:20.813+01:00Andrew
"Oooooooo that was quite a battle. I ...Andrew<br /><br />"Oooooooo that was quite a battle. I have to say I am rather bemused that a Christian can defend the Qur'an. It seems almost an impossibility but there you go, anyone who reads this will see a Christian defending the Qur'an, when the Qur'an states that it is the words of God and that it supersedes any religion that went before it and the one true religion." <br /><br />The Koran says repeatedly to read the Bible, all as one Book so to say. It does not say that it supersedes it at all. Although many Muslims see it as superseding. <br /><br />"According to Islam, Jesus never died on the cross, nor ever wanted to die on the cross, nor ever was born to die on the cross. Muslims believe that Jesus was sentenced to death, and people thought that he got executed on the cross. The Holy Quran rejects this idea, and claims that it is a false one. Jesus never died on the cross, nor he ever died for anyone's sins."<br /><br />Some so called Muslims may but not all. Do you remember one who pointed out this to you before on an onther forum. I do, but I forget his name.<br /><br />"Muhammed claimed to be the last of the prophets with the final message for mankind. Do you agree with this and if so does the Koran supersede the Bible?"<br /><br />No he didn't where did he say that Harry. <br /><br />You've been taken in hook line and sinker by Masons.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131903864655655951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6987072511725902446.post-17389427386790122762010-09-30T00:50:17.109+01:002010-09-30T00:50:17.109+01:00Oooooooo that was quite a battle. I have to say I ...Oooooooo that was quite a battle. I have to say I am rather bemused that a Christian can defend the Qur'an. It seems almost an impossibility but there you go, anyone who reads this will see a Christian defending the Qur'an, when the Qur'an states that it is the words of God and that it supersedes any religion that went before it and the one true religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com