In a comment on this post fellow blogger Harbinger and I continued our friendly disagreement about who or what was at the top of the controlling pyramid of the New World Order. I'd summed up my position in the sentence, 'all roads lead to Rome'. If I was being completely accurate I should probably have said 'all roads lead to Babylon'.
Rather than post a reply in the comments section I thought I'd do it as a quick post instead. What follows is a short summary of the conclusions I've reached, along with a few suggested videos and articles.
Rather than post a reply in the comments section I thought I'd do it as a quick post instead. What follows is a short summary of the conclusions I've reached, along with a few suggested videos and articles.
The quote below comes from a great site called Reality Research Resource. It's a very good reference for 'exposing the papal roman empire's covert global power structure and the mystery babylon new world order agenda.'
"The tradition of anti-Jewish Jews has gone on since Babylon. The (crypto-Frankist Sabbatean) Labor Zionists serve the Jesuits and thus hate Judaism and all other racially Jewish people , i.e. those that don’t covertly serve Rome. See John 19:15: “But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar”.
These were and are false Jews (religiously speaking) and of the Babylonian Mystery religion in fact. The centre of the occultism of Babylon shifted to Rome and has had servants in Jerusalem who have betrayed the Jewish people both in Israel two millennium ago, then in Europe under instruction from Rome through till the end of the Second World War (in reality the latter part of the Pope’s Second Thirty Years War).
As Catholicism hijacked Christianity, so too have Talmudism and Kabbalism usurped Judaism and in different measures produced Occult tendencies ranging through the various shades of Orthodox Judaism (so-called) and on to Frankist Sabbateanism. The Papal Caesar and Rome are the King and Queen that the Babylonian Brotherhood’s Jerusalem branch serves."
These are the ones who "… say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 2:9). They are a branch of the main trunk which is 'mystery Babylon' currently residing in the Vatican. Without the support and sustenance of the main trunk they would not or could not survive. Talmudism and Kabbalism both began as a result of the exile of the Jews in Babylon. It's here where their leaders tailored the Babylonian system to suit Jewish tastes.
"Is there one, who has candidly considered the proof that has been led, that now doubts that Rome is the Apocalyptic Babylon? Is there one who will venture to deny that, from the foundation to the topmost stone, it is essentially a system of Paganism?
There is an overwhelming amount of evidence proving that the Vatican or the Catholic Church is both pagan (sun worshipping) in essence and the Roman Empire continued in spiritual form.
Not only that but it is the continued, refined, Babylonian system. There is lots of information on this subject but perhaps a good place to start would be the series of videos 'Roman Empire Rules Today' DVD1 and DVD2. They aren't the most professional videos you'll ever watch but they are packed with good information on the subject. There seems to be a DVD3 as well which I've yet to watch.
Not only that but it is the continued, refined, Babylonian system. There is lots of information on this subject but perhaps a good place to start would be the series of videos 'Roman Empire Rules Today' DVD1 and DVD2. They aren't the most professional videos you'll ever watch but they are packed with good information on the subject. There seems to be a DVD3 as well which I've yet to watch.
So then we come to the present day. The author of the video, 'The Rape of Europe', clearly shows (although it meanders a bit and is a little confused in some parts*) how the European Union is a present day 'Tower of Babel'.
From the EU headquarters in Strasbourg built as a modern day version of the tower, to an EU poster depicting the tower being rebuilt (along with the 'stars' of Europe as satanic inverted pentagrams) ...
... to the statue of the 'woman riding the beast' outside the Council of Europe building in Brussels, ...
... as well as numerous EU coins depicting the same image.
Let's not forget also that the symbol of the twelve stars in a circle was traditionally depicted surrounding Mary. Of course the worship of Mary, in Roman catholicism, is actually veiled worship of the pagan mother goddess or queen of heaven, Semiramis.
In short it was the Pope who claimed spiritual and temporal dominion over everything and everyone on earth and still does. The Vatican has always had immense power and wealth. It has controlled this country (on and off, on at the moment) since at least the Treaty of 1213 (and probably before at some point). It controlled (and still does) America and the rest of the Commonwealth through its British Crown (Temple) proxy.
What we are asked to believe is that a few banking brothers called Rothschild were allowed to come in and take control of the finances of the Crown and elsewhere in Europe and then by default the governments of those countries? They had no real power. They would have been murdered immediately if they proved to be a threat of any sort. They were allowed to operate because they served the agenda and because they were of the 'Jewish' branch of the Babylonian system.
The same's true of Israel. The Royalty and nobility of Europe and their Vatican controllers would not have allowed both the creation of and strengthening of the Israeli state (a key word because some claim it's merely another Crown controlled entity) if it didn't serve the wider agenda? If you read the rest of the Reality Research link above you'll see the Rothschild funded Israeli Supreme court is completely Masonic in its design.
What we are asked to believe is that a few banking brothers called Rothschild were allowed to come in and take control of the finances of the Crown and elsewhere in Europe and then by default the governments of those countries? They had no real power. They would have been murdered immediately if they proved to be a threat of any sort. They were allowed to operate because they served the agenda and because they were of the 'Jewish' branch of the Babylonian system.
The same's true of Israel. The Royalty and nobility of Europe and their Vatican controllers would not have allowed both the creation of and strengthening of the Israeli state (a key word because some claim it's merely another Crown controlled entity) if it didn't serve the wider agenda? If you read the rest of the Reality Research link above you'll see the Rothschild funded Israeli Supreme court is completely Masonic in its design.
In my humble opinion it's the occult Babylonian system that is the 'tie that binds' and the concentration of this Satanic power lies in the Vatican. I say that with one proviso and that's that there seems little doubt that certain bloodline families appear to also have immense power and wealth. I think it's entirely possible that there are elite bloodlines that can be traced back through Rome, Greece and Egypt all the way back to Babylon and possibly beyond. That these bloodlines are yet one more veiled layer of control beyond the Vatican is quite possible. It's an area I intend to look into when time permits. Commonly touted names such as the Rothschilds and the Bushes would not fit this description. This does not take away from the central point I'm trying to make which is that the agenda is 'mystery Babylon occult paganism' in essence and the focus of its power lies in the Vatican.
One more note is that it's suggested that the Vatican is in the process of revealing itself. This is said to be because the Vatican itself will be destroyed in an 'end times' cataclysm that will see the spiritual power centre move to Jerusalem. This will still be the Babylonian system but in a new spiritual guise that's exoteric form will most likely be some variant of current 'New Age' teachings. This can only be speculation at the moment although there is strong evidence to support this scenario.
One more note is that it's suggested that the Vatican is in the process of revealing itself. This is said to be because the Vatican itself will be destroyed in an 'end times' cataclysm that will see the spiritual power centre move to Jerusalem. This will still be the Babylonian system but in a new spiritual guise that's exoteric form will most likely be some variant of current 'New Age' teachings. This can only be speculation at the moment although there is strong evidence to support this scenario.
* In order to watch all sections I had to resort to searching for them one by one in Google. I'm not sure why Liveleak doesn't make it easier to link all relevant videos together. All in all I think the video is good in parts but misses the overall 'big picture' in general. It does though make a very good connection between present day Europe and Babylon.
24 comments:
RH,
That's a good post. I can't fault it. And it changes things greatly when you say that all roads lead to Babylon.
There is no doubt in my mind that they're trying to rebuild Babel. More so, your quote the synagogue of Satan by Christ is most poignant.
What is my take? Well, you know it but maybe I should explain it more.
It is obvious that there are certainly two kinds of Jew - those of Juddah, of Shem and semitic peoples. The others are of course the Khazars and non semitic who make up 90-95% of world Jewry.
Within both groups there are Jews who follow the teachings of the Torah and the Bible before the Talmud and are not of the synagogue of Satan. Then there are those who do look to the Talmud before the Torah and the Bible who are of what Christ spoke of in the synagogue of Satan.
It's semantics isn't it? If the overwhelming number of Jews within this world are not Jewish (of Juddah) and pagan Khazars, whose Rabbis preach from the Talmud, and the media portray them as Jews then when I speak I revert to MSM ethos.
However to be truthful I would certainly call the overwhelming number of Jews within society non Jews.
The question arises that when we do see Jews, which Jew are they? Are they of true Jewry or Talmudic, worshiping Jews? How do we know? Do they see themselves as above all of the Goy or do they see themselves as equal? Remember RH, many (false) Jews within society are vessels to be filled and they have two sets of accounts - the one they show to the taxman and the ones they don't, i.e. the way they behave to the Goy in public and the way they behave in private about the Goy. The thing is you do not know.
One thing's for sure that I agree there is no doubt a connection between Babylon, Khazars, Zionism, Royal Families and the power in this world, deeply infiltrated within the major establishments and secret societies/cabals that have arisen since ancient times.
(cont)
I read it as I see it RH.
There is a problem with Jews/non Jews. We see true Jews in Israel being treated as the underclass by the Zionists, because they have no connection to them. We see the true Jews (semitic and non semitic but who follow the Torah and Bible and not the Talmud) protesting at the treatment of Palestinians and protesting against Zionism and the illegal state of Israel.
It's also a question of trust. Do you trust many Jews who say what they do when you know what the Talmud say of the Goy? Jews have always segregated themselves off from society, been the most politically active within any society they've lived in and caused the most trouble. I know that you speak of the powerful banking families such as the Rothschilds, but what of the Rabbis, who loathe gentiles all over the world that preach hatred against non Jews? This is happening as we speak and no doubt in the UK, the USA and every other western nation, not forgetting Israel.
I don't believe in beating about the bush RH. There is a problem with world Jewry for reasons stated and non discussion of them is just what they want because it keeps people from digging too deep to find there's something really fucked up going on there. The rabbit hole is indeed incredibly deep and there's no doubt that false Jews were most responsible in a large part of its construction.
There's no doubt in my mind that the church is corrupt and all part of the same pagan, Babylonian system, interwoven with Zionism and the worship of the Talmud. However, at the moment I see that that the fires around society are being started by the non Jewish Jews and unlike the rest of society I'm realise that they're the ones causing much of the trouble and destruction of our liberty and civil rights.
The rabbit hole is indeed deep but non Jewish Jews are a big problem I truly believe and many people have warned us throughout time of the dangers we face from them.
H, I certainly didn't intend to diminish the role played by certain 'Jews' both throughout history and in present times. The point I was making is that the NWO agenda is neither a solely 'Jewish' affair nor is it solely for "Jewish' interests. In much the same way that many gentiles are deceived into assisting the agenda so are many Jews.
As for the 'Ashkenazi' question you might find the article below of interest. A word of warning for anyone clicking on the link, Majority Rights is a long way from being politically correct.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_mystery_of_ashkenazic_origins/
RH,
As regards to Ashkenazi Jews, I do believe that they are European peoples and always have and that's the point. There is NO JEWISH RACE as we are continually led to believe. It's merely a belief system and nothing else.
The more I'm reading on Judaism, Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Orthodox, Talmud and Torah, I'm finding more and more interesting points.
We will continue to differ on this but I do strongly believe that the talmudic teachings of the Pharisees are certainly an integral if not dominant part of the NWO and the contempt for all non Jewish people, the Goy/Gentiles.
And seeing as you've given me a link then I think you'll also find this link incredibly interesting also:
http://talmudical.blogspot.com/2010/09/truth-about-talmud.html
(I would put it in a more professional form like a 'Truth about the Talmud' link but I'm finding that Blogger is throwing all these posts into the SPAM box).
To finish off RH, I think one has to look at the bigger picture. This is nothing to with a racial group whatsoever, even though they continue to harp on about anti semitism. What this is about is people uncovering about Judaic teachings unsavory truths that they most certainly don't want others to know. It is the Jews themselves who have turned this into a "they hate us because we're Jews" when really it's all about "We hate you because of what you say of us in your Talmud, the words of the Pharisees whom Christ vehemently opposed."
In other words RH, this is clearly a case of: "I don't like you because you have blonde hair but because you have said horrible things about those who do not follow your religion/beliefs"
Go back to whom the Pharisees were and where they came from and without a doubt you'll find Babylon, but as a group of people, not defined by race but by belief the Jews are an incredibly prejudice, racist, ethnocentric, sexist bunch who are creating a nightmare society and stopping any criticism of them especially from people who are exposing their ruse of total oppression of all non Jews.
I believe that the Talmud is a key ideology within the NWO RH. It's becoming more and more obvious the deeper I delve.
H, thanks for the link. I've already read several articles by Michael Hoffman but I hadn't read that one. I agree that the Talmud is a truly awful 'book' and its contents deserve wider exposure. I also don't deny the important role the Talmud plays in shaping the beliefs and justifying the actions of certain elements involved in the NWO agenda. That said it's my own feeling that this has to be placed in the context of the broader 'Mystery Babylon', the centre of which is the Vatican.
If we differ it is in the extent of the role played by the Vatican through organisations such as the Jesuits and Knights of Malta and its control of the secret society networks, especially high level freemasonry. It should be clear that all these disparate groups are involved in various ways, including the Talmudists, Sabbateans and Cabbalists. Therefore all should be viewed with equal suspicion and caution.
RH,
You're most welcome. I think you'll also find the following article also very interesting to:
Judaism Discovered - A Desideratum
I'm trying to get hold of the book. In fact I'm trying to get hold of his other book on secret societies. It looks incredibly interesting.
I really don't think that we differ that much. What I think is that you think much of this has to do with the Vatican, the Jesuits and the Knights of Malta, Order of St John etc etc, when I think that the whole lot are all part of the same Talmudic order. Remember, we're talking about a people (not race) who have been indoctrinated with an ideology that sees themselves as ubermensch and everyone else as untermensch, so whatever they do in life that we would regard as bad isn't to them but their right to do.
This goes way back and I have no doubt whatsoever that these Talmudic followers are the same Pagans who melted down their gold to make a statue of a gold bull to worship. They may say they worship God but that God is not the God of Islam or Christianity for sure.
You and I both know it goes way back to Babylon. I'm merely making the connection to what you believe with what I do. In fact I think the people you believe are running things are being controlled by the people I think are running things. That's the difference but we're both going to the ultimate same destination even though we're on separate tracks that are running parallel to one another.
So here's the essence of our difference. You believe that the Roman Empire and the subsequent Holy Roman Empire, with their roots in Babylon and centre in Rome, has either always been or has at some point in the past and up to the present day, controlled by Judaism. Would this be correct?
RH,
No it wouldn't. Regarding Rome, the Pharisees, Herod etc were two completely different entities altogether. Rome had it's Gods that it worshiped completely different to the Pharisees. My belief is that after the Roman Empire fell that's when the descendants of the pharisees started becoming fa more involved within the groups you speak of - Vatican, Jesuits, Knights of St John.
If anyone bastardized the teachings of Christ and thus created the Christian religion then my guess is undoubtedly those who hated Christ within the Sanhedrin.
Did the Romans have their roots in Babylon? I doubt it, although I haven't researched it enough to give a definite answer.
Did the Pharisees have their roots in Babylon? Overwhelmingly!
H, we seem to be back to square one. Surely it's glaringly obvious that it was Rome through Emperor Constantine that 'bastardised the teachings of Christ'. The result being the Catholic church and the Holy Roman Empire. Rome had the power in the time of the Pharisees and continues to do so to this day.
As for Rome having its roots in Babylon I refer you back to the links in the article. I think you'll find it an enlightening area of research and the links provided a useful starting point.
RH,
Rome had the power in the time of the Pharisees and continues to do so to this day.
That's where we differ. Sure we can mention the Club of Rome, the Black Nobility and the all encompassing body of the Committee of 300, but overall I still believe much of the power stems from the money men who controlled Jerusalem at the time of Christ and nothing's changed.
If all roads lead to Rome RH, then tell me why is it everywhere I look I see that Jews are the ones in the top positions within society? Almost every up 'n' coming media star is Jewish and yet they make up just under 2% of the population within the USA?
There's either two things going on here and they are:
1. Jews are infinitely better actors than anyone else.
2. Jobs for the boys.
It's either one or the other and most certainly not both. Why do they hold disproportionate power? Are they too being set up like the Muslims are in the West? If that's so then let's go back to the Talmud and all the constructs of Judaism that are working with the NWO - Socialism, Liberalism, Fascism, Nazism and Communism.
The Jews have had control for a very long time and guaranteed that were you to look at all of those within the Committee of 300, the overwhelming number will be Ashkenazi Jews.
H, I suspect if you looked into the Vatican dimension in a bit more detail you might change your mind. All I'll say is keep an open mind on the subject.
There may be a disproportionate number of Jews in the media but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say almost all up and coming stars are Jewish. As for the much touted Jewish control of the media the link below might be helpful.
http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-controls-media-it-isnt-all-jews.html
RH,
It's ironic because I came back (not to expect a reply from you as you're not as frequent in replies as before which is of course your prerogative) and was going to write that I want to look into this more. I always keep an open mind. Hell, this time over a year ago, I was pretty oblivious to Zionism and at the throat of Islam, so the more I uncover and the more I piece together the many groups within the 'secret societies' of our world, I'll come to a more definite answer.
What I will definitely say though with you is that all roads most undoubtedly lead to Babylon and the worship of Molloch. There is without doubt ancient paganism behind most if not all of the wealth and control in this world and that Zionism is a part of it, along with talmudi Judaism.
Let us not forget one thing RH, Jews are brought up to view all non Jews as cattle, Goy, sub species. There is much still yet to uncover about them and I am still pressing ahead but also with the Committee of 300 and the various societies within.
Had a read of the link although far from convinced. He mentions individual papers' CEOs but forgets who owns the actual papers. The MSM is predominantly within the hands of around 5 powers. The same goes for the film and music industries as well and TV.
As for up and coming film stars, you'll find a massive whack are Jewish and again, the numbers are completely disproportionate to their size within the USA.
P.S. RH,
I think you'll find the following link incredibly interesting. Zionism has only been around since the mid 19th century, so again it's a construct of the Talmudic Jews. Clearly this link (with the help of Pike's infamous letter to Mazzini) shows that as the NWO has continuously played people against one another, just as the showdown between Nazism and the west was to strengthen Zionism, the conflict between Zionism and Muslim is there to destroy both, in fact destroy all religions to go right back to pagan gods, in this case Lucifer. Who knows, but what Pike said has certainly all come to light.
Click here
H, I know I'm not the quickest to reply. It's partly because I like to roll stuff around my head for a while before replying. That's also been compounded by the fact that my computer has waved the white flag and surrendered.
The link served a purpose in showing that those in positions of influence of those companies are far from all being Jewish. As for ownership I read somewhere that it's nigh impossible to discover exactly who owns many of these major corporations as their shareholders hide behind a complex web of holding companies. The author did claim to trace some of them back to the City of London which I suppose shouldn't surprise us. The point being I doubt that they are all owned by Jews.
I have read Pike's letter before and it does seem to lay bare the elite's plans. I've always thought that the presence of Islam in Europe is by conscious design. The elites know exactly what it is all about and they also know it will bring (and they will help to bring about) massive amounts of civil unrest if not outright conflict on the streets of Europe when their planned war in the Middle East finally gets going. It really is too wicked for words.
Pike's letter does say that "Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other". The brackets are from the link you provided to the Truth Seeker article but they emphasise what is meant. I suspect that many Jews will again be sacrificed for the Luciferian cause. Presumably the Al Aqsa mosque will be destroyed but I suspect much of Jerusalem will be spared. For me this really only reinforces the idea that this is far from being a 'Jewish' conspiracy and is certainly not for the benefit of all Jews.
Although from everything I've read I've come to the conclusion that Rome is the centre of the agenda I certainly don't downplay the role of elite 'Jews'. As I've said before I view all these groups with equal suspicion but there has to be a common component that unites these disparate players in the agenda. We can see from quotes by the likes of Theosophists Helena Blavatsky and Alice Bailey, David Spangler and Masons such as Albert Pike and Manley P Hall that the connection is the worship of Lucifer.
I'm no expert on the Talmud but from what I understand it is only a relatively small number of Jews who follow it and its hatred of non Jews. Henry Makow has written a lot about this. Even if it were a greater number than that it's almost certainly part of the control mechanism. Many Muslims have similar views and I'm sure there are those who think that Islamic immigration into Europe is part of Allah's grand plan for Islam to rule the world. Both Jews and Muslims are being deceived in this respect. The reality being most likely something along the lines of what's discussed in Pike's letter.
Hi RH,
I can't disagree with a word of your reply and yes I'm beginning to see the bigger picture - Spiritual Babylon = Roman Catholicism. You see I told you I have an open mind. I'm continually learning and nothing is fixed.
There is no doubt whatsoever that we are seeing the rise of Lucifarianism, or should I say Satanism/Ahrimanism (as from an earlier reply on the distinction between the two). There is no doubt that this is Sumarian and Babylonian. And there is without a shadow of a doubt that this is without a doubt explained within the Bible revelations, the rise of the Anti Christ. The new religion will of course be Satanism but more importantly the worship of materialism, superficiality, deceit, dishonour and of course MONEY.
I am a Christian, most certainly not religious, but things are now beginning to fit into place, hence why I'm going back to read much of what I haven't for a very long time.
I am beginning to see that all roads lead to Rome however as regards to Henry Makow and Jews, maybe you should have a read of my latest article on my blog Michael Hoffman tells us what Judaism is really all about at its core.
As some people put Judaism; it's like having two books of your accounts - one for the taxman and the other for you. That is we believe what the Jews tell us what they think of us and society, but no nothing of what they truly think when out of the public eye. The very same can be seen from the programmes on Undercover Mosque on Islam. We saw the face of Islam in public and thanks to a hidden camera, we saw the private face.
I think Judaism is inextricably linked here with Spiritual Babylon. Michael Hoffman, has spent many years studying Judaism and the Talmud and puts the Church to shame, but more importantly shows to all that the church has nothing whatsoever to do with the teachings of Christ.
So RH, to conclude, I think we're now beginning to ride in the same direction. Pyke's letter undoubtedly shows that the destruction of all religion is being planned and it reads on a parallel with the Elder protocols of Zion. Very interesting
Thanks, I will bookmark this page and use it... really very help full blog.
Bishop bernard jordan
"Bible good, Talmud bad".
IMO, very, very wrong.
The Talmud issued *from* the OT. Or at least, from the same dubious sources (or rather: gloss on sources). Check out the OT references to the licking of sand from feet, murder of babies, etc etc.
Moses was a murder on the run. Was there enslavement in Egypt? Not according to this:
John {8:33} "They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and
were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye
shall be made free?"
Likewise, the NT supremacist mindset:
(a) Matthew 15:22
And, behold, a woman of
Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him,
saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David;
my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. {15:23} But
he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and
besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
{15:24} But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto
the lost sheep of the house of Israel. {15:25} Then came she
and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. {15:26} But he
answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s
bread, and to cast [it] to dogs. {15:27} And she said, Truth,
Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their
masters’ table. {15:28} Then Jesus answered and said unto
her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as
thou wilt.
(b) Revelation {2:26}
"26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations."
(c) Matthew, {10:5} These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded
them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into
[any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: {10:6} But go
rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. {10:7} And as
ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."
etc.
Read Douglas Reed: "The Conspiracy of Zion" (published 1978, written 1956).
And these show notes (last 2 months still to come):
http://truthhertz.weebly.com/
Interesting articles but I probably won't post again, because I can't contribute meaningfully to a debate the outcome of which depends on sources whose provenance and correctness is incapable of proof. Conversely, meaningful money reform (eschewing the gold standard, 'lawful bank' usury and other folderol) seems to be a potentially more fruitful direction for the expenditure of time and effort.
Anon, your comment deserves a response but you're going to have to give me a day or two I'm afraid.
THE SPIRITUAL DIMENSION
@RH, far be it from me to demand - or expect - any response from anyone, on anything - though happy to read if you feel like more researching and reflection for your own interest (in which case take as much time as you feel like - it's your blog, after all!). I'm issuing no challenge to anyone, and I'm not laying any beLIEf system on anyone, I just posted a few indiscriminate links for a sample of different directions. But I will say that anyone - or any book - that tells me they've spoken with God (didn't George Bush?) is, to me, suspect at best. Woe to the priestly class and its purported intermediation! I dare say God, if he feels like it, will communicate direct.
However, if you are going to reflect further on the spiritual dimension to our travails, you could do worse than download this (picked at random, mainly because it is new):
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-truth-militia/2012/12/18/truth-militia-radio-with-john-friend.mp3
and fast-forward to 36:15m, listen thereon. While I don't accept all he says in that show (no mention of Kennewick Man in the 'ancient(pre)history' section) this Giuliani fellow has some chops on the subject of religions and specifically Christianity/Islam/Judaism. (Notice how the sound clips around 1hr 5-8m). Listen to him on Biblical moral relativism, and a bizarre incident of godly malice at e.g. 2 Kings 2: 23, 24. (Torn to *42* pieces. Why 42?
An occult number...)
Disagree? Another view? You could go on his Oracle Broadcasting show to debate him. Someone else tried and failed this year (Mike Kelley).
http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth_Hertz/Truth_Hertz.2012-03-27_16k.mp3 (Numerous commercials interruptions, IIRC someone posted a commericals-free copy at http://concen.org). The writer of this (1 of 2 parts) never took up the challenge:
http://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/charles-giuliani-a-nihilist-saboteur-of-the-truth-movement/
Cumbey, Hunt, Matrisciana, Schimmel, et al. may have exposed the dangers of the New Age, but is their own belief-system any less dangerous to Western Culture?
One thing is clear: all this 'spiritual' stuff is guaranteed to keep your wheels spinning. Look at world history; read "Russia No. 1" (1919) and be appalled. Always jam tomorrow, but not today. So have done with it (I say to myself).
My Enemy's Enemy is not necessary My Friend.
Anon, thanks again for commenting. Anyone new to Christianity, assuming they take it seriously, is inevitably faced with some difficult and awkward aspects of the Old Testament. I know I was. Rather than take them all at 'face value' I felt inspired to investigate any that I found in greater detail. It seems that many do not.
Perhaps my first observation from your comments is that you've made, what I've come to suspect is, a common mistake, which is that the 'Jews' of today are the Israelites of the Bible. Explaining why they aren't would take far too long. In a work by Louis Finkelstine (The Pharisees, 2nd Ed., Vol. I, The Jewish Publication Society-1940) we read the following:
"The apogee of Pharisaism is the Talmud of Babylonia... Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name...the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives un-altered".
In essence it seems that the vast majority of todays 'Jews' are those who say they are Jews (of the House of Judah) but are not. The Talmud is no more than the written down 'traditions of the elders' that Jesus railed against. It is a departure from the OT in many significant ways. John 8.33 is really the Pharisees confession that they weren't Israelites. They may have been Abraham's seed but not the seed of the promise. Consider this article for another perspective on the 'Jews' and Israel.
Exactly who the Israelites (the lost sheep of the House of Israel) are is an interesting subject. One thing's for sure they aren't the "Jews' who at best could claim to be the House of Judah. The arguments for it being the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian and related peoples is a persuasive one that again is too complex to go into here. The idea of being 'chosen', properly understood, is less about any sort of inherent superiority and much more about being blessed. It's about service and should inspire humility not boastfulness. The remnant (of Israel) that overcomes would be the meek and humble Christian that serves God, not the Zionists in the Middle East today.
In short, from my own experience, it pays to study the Bible in much greater detail. There is an immense amount of deception that abounds. For example the idea that the current state of Israel in fulfils Bible prophesy doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. The 'murder of Babies' is another example. Here's but one interpretation
of that event.
Anon, I think it's safe to say that we can ignore anything that the Bushes say about God or Christianity. Both father and son are members of the occult secret society 'Skull and Bones'. By their fruits shall ye know them. Christians they are not. That said you're right to be wary of anyone making claims of speaking with God.
I'll try and get round to listening to the links you gave but I've got such a backlog of stuff to read/watch/listen to. I hadn't come across 2 Kings 2: 23 before so I did a quick Google. Firstly it seems it wasn't '42 pieces' but 42 of the youths that were 'mauled'. I found an explanation here
which seems reasonable. As for the significance of the number 42, from my experience there aren't many numbers that aren't supposed to have some sort of occult significance. By that I mean I can see no particular significance to 42.
I have to agree that the 'spiritual stuff is guaranteed to keep your wheels spinning'. That most definitely includes Christianity. If anything the Bible and Christianity has come under the most attack and deception abounds. For me personally that only encouraged me to investigate more in order to find the truth. In particular I'd say the area of Biblical prophesy contains the most deception. It certainly pays to not take things at face value. The truth is well hidden but it can be discovered given the intention and perseverance.
If you've read my piece on Brian Gerrish you'll realise that I've become more than a little suspicious of both him and the UK Column. Whilst many of my early posts reflect a support for the UK column I've since very much changed my mind. I've been tempted to delete some of my early posts but at the moment I'm happy to leave things as they are. If nothing else it reflects my own personal search for some sort of truth.
I consider the 'banking system' to be the largest con/scam the world has ever seen. As you say any attempt at reform has been met with little or no success. Attempting a deeper understanding is something of a rabbit hole and an extremely complex one at that. It seems likely that some sort of collapse of the system is meant to happen only to be followed with a pre-prepared deceptive 'solution'. Are we likely to reform the system without first addressing the people/force behind it?
From my limited understanding of the situation regarding the Bank of England I think its role has changed to a large degree. Whilst it used to operate in a manner similar to the Federal Reserve I think it now acts as the head of the system. As such it's the private banks within the system that largely benefits from the interest.
Thanks,
Harry.
I've never read so much anti-Catholic rubbish written about the Vatican in all my life...
Clearly the authors have got themselves carried away with myths and lies... You will find that the Catholic Church was against the foundation of the state of Israel so to call the Vatican Zionist beggars belief.
Anon, the Vatican is clearly a major player in whatever agenda is being pursued. It remains to be seen how that plays out in relation to Israel.
Blessings
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